New Orleans somally orator if he doing something wrong in the debate. When he saw the suddenly Marines, he smiled to me, and he told me, "Well, Lester, Castro, don't try to do an invasion without a guidebook for Marines, because that is one of the things that will be a failure." That was his joke in that moment. After the debate, you went to the debate; and I think that you have the whole history of the debate, you have the transcription and everything, and that I don't have to go to all that, because that is subjective, not objective. You have the objective, and that is the debate. Mr. LIEBELER. That is right. We do have a transcript and we listened to it on the tape at one point over at the television station too. Mr. BISHOP. And there is something that I want to show you too. I told you about the training camp that were across the Lake Pontchartrain. Mr. LIEBELER. Yes. Mr. BISHOP. [Producing newspaper.] At the beginning of August in the Diario Las Americas from Miami for September 4, 1963. Mr. LIEBELER. For September 4, 1963? Mr. BISHOP. That is right. [Indicating photograph.] This is the guy who was inside the training camp. The Christian Democratic Movement turned this over to the FBI, and the FBI was questioning him in Miami. The Christian Democratic Movement found a letter, according to this information, from this guy directed to Carlos Lechuga, former Cuban Ambassador to Mexico and now Cuban Ambassador to the United Nations in New York. And after the guy was inside the training camp, he was saying [indicating] that they have to be alert from August 5, and the day that Oswald came trying to infiltrate my organization was August 5. This sounds for me strange in all this matter. Mr. LIEBELER. Here is another interview from Fernandez here 3 days later. Mr. BISHOP. You are referring to a copy of the same newspaper but for the date of September 7, 1963, on the front page of which Mr. LIEBELER. [Indicating.] Here: "Fernando Fernandez is in favor of the Communist regime of Castro." That is the title in Spanish. Mr. BISHOP. Let me see if I can understand what you are saying. You say that Mr. Fernandez wrote a letter to Lechuga in Mexico? Mr. BISHOP. Right. Mr. LIEBELER. Lechuga is a member of the Castro government? Mr. BISHOP. Right. Mr. LIEBELER. He is now Ambassador to the United Nations? Mr. BISHOP. In New York; right. Mr. LIEBELER. Fernandez is the person who was the Castro spy who had infiltrated the Christian Democratic Movement here in Louisiana. Mr. BISHOP. For the Christian Democratic Movement here in Louisiana. Mr. LIEBELER. Now the Christian Democratic Movement--is--what? Pro-Castro? Mr. BISHOP. It is an anti-Castro organization? Mr. LIEBELER. They are training Cubans over here to make a counterrevolution against Castro, but they find that there is a Castro spy inside the training camp, and they must be so blind with the people and with the things that they turn over to the FBI. I think that was a very smart thing to do, but this guy was inside--I think that the Christian Democratic Movement was infiltrated by Castro people. And I think that the training camp was an anti-Castro camp used by U.S. Government but not inside the U.S. territory. And this guy was inside the training camp, and he was a Castro spy. And the Christian Democratic Movement turned this over to the FBI, and they turned over the anti-Castro spy to the FBI. I cannot find any reasonable cause to use a man who was inside the training camp. But in my opinion, if they turned over to the FBI, it was because they were really curious to find out who was infiltrating their training camp. That for me is--because if they were willing to infiltrate our organization, but we are not directly involved in any way with this entire case or affiliation, but we are not at that point. I believe that it was this guy here in New Orleans that NW 50955 DocId:32423634 Page 137