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many years, all my life. But when I was down here at that time
I knew he had a high position in the CIA, and was in charge
of all this sort of stuff, and he was at a number of meetings
there, or even at the White House. He was an advisor to Mr.
Dulles. So I say that is very likely.

Mr. Baron. By this sort of stuff would you mean covert
actions?

Mr. Dillon. Covert actions or anything that was important
enough in that general field to involve Mr. Dulles, the CIA,
the President. He was a person there, one of the people that
was talked to about it. There were three people. There were
really at that time Allen Dulles, General Cabell, and Bissell.

Mr. Baron. Was it your general impression that this was
a high level meeting -- a sufficiently high level meeting so
that Allen Dulles might have been in attendance?

Mr. Dillon. He could have been.

Mr. Baron. And are there any other people who would have
been likely candidates to have been in attendance at the
meeting?

Mr. Dillon. I imagine there must have been some represen-
tative of the military there. But I don't know who it would
have been. But there must have been someone else if the
Secretary of Defense was there. Now, Erwin, since he didn't
allow these things, he might have been there. That is just
supposition.

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